A young Iraqi doctor who left Iraq to live away, has uncomon but familiar name,
I'm not a writer but, I miss Iraq.
بغداد ضحكة شمس بغداد هلهولة
بغداد ليش الدمع صاير الج سولة
كوليلي شنو هلصبر جا خلكج شطولة
بغداد انتي الامل بغداد انتي الحيل
لازم يجيلج صبح مهما يطول الليل
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بغداد...... هليلة تمنيتچ تمريلي *** بغداد يا جرح القلب وينچ درجعيلي ***حنيت لترابــچ انا و الفرگة تچويني *** والشوگ ذكرني بوكت چنتــــي تحضنيني *** تذكرين يا شدة ورد بلونــچ سحرتيني *** ليش ذبلان الورد وزعلانة يا عيني *** بغداد يا شمعة انطفت بالظلمة عفتيني *** وظليت تايه انا .. ياهو اليدليني
Might the answer be that Jihadis dislike Takfirs, or muslims who have known the truth and rejected it, more than any nonmuslim? Might the answer be that the Jihadis don't like Shia, Kurds, Sufis, Christians, and any sunni arab who has the misfortune of disagreeing with a Jihadi?
A&E, what are your thoughts on how to reform or take out the Jihadis? If someone really loves and respects their enemy, as Yeshua (or Īsā) said we all should, then the best way we can honor our enemy is by facilitating their reforming themselves, and failing that imprison or kill them before they can do themselves any more harm.
What greater harm can someone do themselves than to sin by harming someone else? Therefore, taking out a Jihadi can be an act of great compassion and respect.
A&E, what is your strategy to eliminate the Jihadi threat?
Anand could you understand the song and the point behind it? I think the comments here are not related to this post at all!!! Well; First of all I so as anyone who does care about Islam; absolutely disagree with shedding one drop of any human being. I think you know that America did support Jihadist for a long time; so it's the best to be asked such questions.
" What greater harm can someone do themselves than to sin by harming someone else?" Then taking the American mercenaries out or killing them will be the best to eliminate such threat from our land; as they didn't hesitate to kill, rape and destroy as much as possible. I absolutely agree that those terrorist killed many people and I do believe that they should be eliminated, but if we open our eyes; America did kill and destroy much much more and all over the world. The only way to kick terrorists out of my country is by kicking the invaders out and then Iraqis will know how to control their country and build it peacefully; as there is no point letting some killers and rapists inside our country and giving them the permission to behave like masters.
I wonder if asking such questions mean those who asked are not Muslims, they don't know anything about Islam and they want to learn or they're against Islam??
Anand, A&E thinks (like many Arabs) that the US has hired terrorists to mass murder innocent Iraqis. There's no use in trying to convince him otherwise - they are convinced that the US aim is to divide Iraqis and watch them murder each other (as if they don't know how to do that all by themselves, as if Saddam and his filthy henchmen did not mass murder Iraqis without the help of the US before 2003).
This kind of thinking helps Iraqis cope with the madness, I think. It helps them focus their rage on an enemy they have hated all their lives: the US and UK. What is most interesting is that many of these people, like A&E, live in the US or UK. They hate the US and UK, and yet they live here, make good money, pay taxes, and take advantage of the freedoms that do not exist in the mid east.
a&eiraqi, I am going to assume that you have the best motivations and respond accordingly.
”could you understand the song and the point behind it? I think the comments here are not related to this post at all!!!” As I have written before, I don’t know Arabic and don’t understand the song and the point behind it. Please educate me and your other readers about it.
”First of all I so as anyone who does care about Islam; absolutely disagree with shedding one drop of any human being.” Are you a pacifist?
”I think you know that America did support Jihadist for a long time; so it's the best to be asked such questions.” Please explain since I am not very smart. I think you are referring to the Jihad that the entire muslim world, America, Canada, all the major European countries, China, Japan and South Korea supported against the former Soviet Union in Afghanistan. You are right . . . all of us messed up and the world has paid a major price since. But I think that everywhere, including in the muslim world, there is broad acceptance that we all collectively messed up. One piece of evidence that suggests we have learnt from it is Bosnia and Kosavo. Al Qaeda linked networks played a mojor role fighting Serbia in both conflicts. Yet most of the world (including NATO and the muslim world) united to stop the genocide without working with Al Qaeda linked networks this time. We learnt. Since the Afghan jihad, is there any evidence of any major non-muslim majority country backing Takfiri Salafi Jihadi extremists?
No one supported the Jihadis against Russia in Chechnya etc. the 1990s either, even though many of us around the world disagreed with some specific Russian policies in the Central Asia region.
Please explain what you mean by the statement above.
"What greater harm can someone do themselves than to sin by harming someone else?" Then taking the American mercenaries out or killing them will be the best to eliminate such threat from our land; as they didn't hesitate to kill, rape and destroy as much as possible.” Again please explain it again for me slowly, since I do not understand. Are you referring only to security contractors? As you know most security contractors in Iraq are Iraqi, and a plurality of them are hired by different parts of the GoI. We have been discussing at IM what to do about security contractors. This is a very important subject. I think the Iraqi government should pass legislation regulating them. Please come to IM and share your thoughts regarding this very important subject. I think, however, since Iraqi is a democracy like most countries in the world; Iraq should handle this issue with legislation through the political process, rather than through violence.
I must ask you however, to please have very specific evidence before bringing up charges of rape.
”I absolutely agree that those terrorist killed many people and I do believe that they should be eliminated, but if we open our eyes; America did kill and destroy much much more and all over the world.” Two questions: How would you eliminate terrorists? Who has America killed all over the world? Please spell both of them out.
”The only way to kick terrorists out of my country is by kicking the invaders out and then Iraqis will know how to control their country and build it peacefully; as there is no point letting some killers and rapists inside our country and giving them the permission to behave like masters.”
I think you are referring to Al Qaeda linked networks here. How would you throw Al Qaeda linked terrorists out of Iraq?
”I wonder if asking such questions mean those who asked are not Muslims, they don't know anything about Islam and they want to learn or they're against Islam??”
I don’t understand a&eiraq. Please explain it to me. I love Islam, and have read a lot of translations of various parts of the holy Koran. Mohommed was a great man of god. The angel Gabriel spoke to him and revealed beautiful, holy, pure, spiritual, loving, and transcendental sounds to him—the Koran. Only a prophet of the highest stature would be worthy of such divine revelation. I try to learn as much about Islam as possible. And I look forward to learning more about Islam from you.
Anand I have to admit that I admire your attitude and I'll be replying to your wish to know or to learn how the others think; I appreciate that we're from different parts of the world and different background.
First of all; about the song It's like a pray to Allah asking him to protect Iraq & Iraqis in the Holly Ramadan and asking him to help them stop this madness and not let problems get worse in Iraq and between Iraqis; it also contains part which show that we're under the control of unmerciful people. As I've mentioned the whole song goes like prayer asking his God.
I didn't say that I'm a pacifist but I am a doctor; my duty is helping people and saving their lives not killing them; still I'm a human being whose ability to tolerate is limited and he might lose his control when he face horrible things; like seeing his people being killed or raped or seeing his home being destroyed by someone. I wish you could appreciate this point or think about it deeply.
About supporting Jihadists; I meant supporting them against Soviet union and you're right many muslim governments did help America at that time by letting selfies from thier countries go there. Still; USA do support governments like the one in KSA where Selefists do hurt people and deprive them from simple rights like allowing women to drive. I don't think that media do highlight such things as much as highlighting Jihadists attitude in other countries.
The third point will be explained as slow as possible as you asked me to do so; Anand As I have explained before; I lived most of my life back home in Iraq People there have their own tradition, mentality and attitude, which are quite different from the ones you have; I think this is understandable
I saw my country being occupied by foreigners, they had got the right to destroy any place they wanted, they let all the looters stole whatever they wanted without stopping them; they themselves stole lots of pieces from the Iraqi national museum; since they arrived we experienced thing we had not before: To drive in a street; you have to be quite careful as they might attack you for no reason but having fun ( you might not believe this, but the attitude of the invaders in Iraqi streets is horrible). People were talking about democracy and humanity to be shocked with what happened in Abu-Ghraib; this was not only a crime; it was like war announcement; they raped people and tortured them in a horrible way; how do you think would people feel after such thing; people do hate America and everything belong to it. I don't think it's only about security company; I know that those companies have been creating many problems for a long time; but these were things done by the American forces themselves; another one is the horrible crime in Haditha when they killed a family and raped a girl. The American solders admitted in the Independent couple of months ago that; they were used to kill Iraqi civilians and put weapons beside them accusing them of being insurgents( I think you know about that when they said" Killing another Iraqi is just another Iraqi , so what?" )
"Who has America killed all over the world? " Interesting question Before the war; Iraqis were deprived from food and medications as there was a horrible sanction applied by America before anyone else..Ideally it was the UN decision. The American secretary of state at that time Madeline Albright admitted that killing half a million of Iraqi kids is a worthy price to get rid of Saddam Hussien!!!
Of course I should never forget what happened in 1991 in Baghdad; Al-Amriya shelter was bombed by American aircraft to kill 405 innocent Iraqis had no sin but trying to be in a safe place while Baghdad was being bombed in a savage way. Do I need to mention Guantanamo camp and the horrible crimes being held there?
And of course a long list of crimes in Vietnam, the attitude towards Palestine and many other countries.
In the last point I was referring to both the Terrorists and the invaders; if we get rid of that invasion; we'll be able to control our country by ourselves; America is not doing anything to protect us, it did not prevent the civil war or helped to control violence; so what is the point letting them in raping and killing as they want. There are a lot of Iraqi forces now , as well as the former army and the Iraqi tribes which can control their regions and reach a satisfaction without the American interference. We just don't need the American forces or any other country's forces inside Iraq. I admit that there a sectarian violence in Iraq and there is a disagreement but the invaders are not helping to stop it, as well as they're quite rejected among people because of the crimes they committed. The best proof is; those invaders don't dare to walk in streets as people don't like them; they're not welcomed even in those areas considered safe like the southern part; people don't like them and are ready to kill them for what they did.
About Islam; I could pick from the question that you're accusing Islam to be the cause of that killing. In Islam; destroying The Holly House In Mecca is less than killing one Muslim. Islam of course disagree with killing innocents and that how I understand it; if someone has got another philosophy; I don't feel being duty bound justifying or explaining what he thinks.
Please some and join the discussion at Iraqimojo.blogspot.com
Iraqi Mojo is a very good guy. You would really like him. Most Iraqis are strongly against Baathists and Takfiris. You should be very careful to strongly and unambiguously denounce them every chance you get, or you might continue to be misunderstood by other Iraqis.
The song, a prayer to God, is very sweet. I like it.
“Still; USA do support governments like the one in KSA where Selefists do hurt people and deprive them from simple rights like allowing women to drive.” Very true . . . the whole world, including America, sucks up to KSA. And you are right to condemn it. ”I don't think that media do highlight such things as much as highlighting Jihadists attitude in other countries.” Most non-muslims are very afraid to do as you ask, because it is not politically correct to criticize another religion, and everyone is afraid of being called an anti-muslim bigot. For this reason, muslims have to take the lead in “highlighting Jihadists attitude in other countries.”
“I saw my country being occupied by foreigners, they had got the right to destroy any place they wanted [No they don’t. US troops who violate their rules of engagement can be and are prosecuted. In any case, they are in Iraq at the unanimous request of many UN resolutions and the government of Iraq (GoI)], they let all the looters stole whatever they wanted without stopping them [terrible mistake. The reason is that former Secretary Rumsfeld opposed the occupation of Iraq, and wanted to withdraw troops almost immediately. He therefore opposed efforts to use US troops for occupation duties like maintain law and order inside Iraq.]; they themselves stole lots of pieces from the Iraqi national museum [I don’t understand. Please explain]; since they arrived we experienced thing we had not before: To drive in a street; you have to be quite careful as they might attack you for no reason but having fun ( you might not believe this, but the attitude of the invaders in Iraqi streets is horrible).” [You are right that tens of thousands of Iraqis being killed by suicide bombers attacking Iraqi population centers is not something Iraq has ever experienced before. The whole world needs to help Iraq through the crazy jihadis out of Iraq. Aren’t MNF-I troops much better now? And in any case, do most neighborhoods really want US troops to leave before there are well trained and equipped Iraqi army and police replaced them? In the past huge crime and slaughter has followed when US troops prematurely left neighborhoods.]
“People were talking about democracy and humanity to be shocked with what happened in Abu-Ghraib; this was not only a crime; it was like war announcement; they raped people and tortured them in a horrible way; how do you think would people feel after such thing; people do hate America and everything belong to it. [Most US soldiers and veterans were outraged by how the animals of Abu Ghraib dishonored the values and image of the US military. You saw the sharp reaction it caused within the US military. Abu Ghraib is now controlled by the GoI. Are you aware of any new incidences in the last 2 years?] I don't think it's only about security company; I know that those companies have been creating many problems for a long time; but these were things done by the American forces themselves; another one is the horrible crime in Haditha when they killed a family and raped a girl.” [Most American soldiers are very angry about that. Rape is considered the greatest of all crimes by Americans. And most American soldiers want to tear the monsters who did this apart. Are you aware of anything like that that has happened in the last two years?]
“The American solders admitted in the Independent couple of months ago that; they were used to kill Iraqi civilians and put weapons beside them accusing them of being insurgents( I think you know about that when they said" Killing another Iraqi is just another Iraqi , so what?" )” One psychotic soldier does not represent most American soldiers. That psychotic soldier was completely out of line. Try to meet some American soldiers or veterans and ask them what they think about the Independent article. Why hasn’t the Independent interviewed other soldiers and ask them what they think about the moron who said these things? You should read the last couple posts by Michael Totten, and see what actual American soldiers think about that attitude.
“Before the war; Iraqis were deprived from food and medications as there was a horrible sanction applied by America before anyone else..Ideally it was the UN decision. The American secretary of state at that time Madeline Albright admitted that killing half a million of Iraqi kids is a worthy price to get rid of Saddam Hussien!!!” True. The UN sanctions were horrible. The UN is responsible. Saddam Hussein is also responsible for not allowing UN weapons inspectors access.
“Of course I should never forget what happened in 1991 in Baghdad; Al-Amriya shelter was bombed by American aircraft to kill 405 innocent Iraqis had no sin but trying to be in a safe place while Baghdad was being bombed in a savage way.”
The Al-Amriya shelter was a terrible mistake. Gen Schwarzkopf was terribly upset about it. Read his book, or one of his many interviews regarding this tragedy. I think that the bombing of 1991 targeted too much of Iraq’s dual use infrastructure. Since 2003, the US military has bombed in a far more limited way.
“Do I need to mention Guantanamo camp and the horrible crimes being held there?” People are being detained without trial. What other crime has been committed there? Most of them are Pakistanis or Saudis who were arrested by the Northern alliance of Afghan government. They are VERY lucky to be in American rather than Afghan custody. The Guantanamo camp is a luxury resort for its few hundred inmates based on most accounts I can find. They released some Saudis and Pakistanis who were later caught committing terrorist activities. Most aren’t good guys. Still, President Bush rightly said that America will close Guantanamo years ago, because the US government cannot hold people without trying them. In my view, it has taken way too long to shut down Guantanamo. Note that many Al Qaeda leaders remain detained there.
To my knowledge, there haven’t been serious accusations of torture in Guantanamo, unlike Abu Ghraib.
“And of course a long list of crimes in Vietnam, the attitude towards Palestine and many other countries.” America supported the country of South Vietnam in its war with North Vietnam. The situation in South East Asia is complicated, with many crimes by many countries including the USSR, America, China, North Vietnam, South Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, and many factions inside South Vietnam. As you may know, over 327,000 South Korean soldiers fought to defend South Vietnam. Many Australians, New Zealanders, Thais and Philippinos also fought to defend South Vietnam. But lets not get into that discussion here. How many Palestinians has America killed? America is not Israel.
“In the last point I was referring to both the Terrorists and the invaders; if we get rid of that invasion; we'll be able to control our country by ourselves” US troops pulled out of Baghdad and Diyala after the 12.15.05 Iraqi elections. You saw the results of that.
“There are a lot of Iraqi forces now , as well as the former army and the Iraqi tribes which can control their regions and reach a satisfaction without the American interference. We just don't need the American forces or any other country's forces inside Iraq.” What do you think about the Iraqi army? See: http://www.longwarjournal.org/oob/index.php http://www.longwarjournal.org/archives/2007/08/projected_isf_five_y.php Look at the comments too.
We can discuss how quickly the Iraqi army can take over the functions of the MNF-I. General Petraues wants to pull US troops out of 16 of Iraq’s 18 provinces in 7 months. Those provinces will graduate to Provincial Iraqi control (the Iraqi army transfers all security responsibilities to the provincial governments and Iraqi police . . . that then enforce provincial law).
A good place to have that discussion is IraqiMojo.blogspot.com. I am glad that you think so highly about the Iraqi army! A lot of misinformed people claim the Iraqi Army is junk.
BTW, American and Iraqi army troops are not afraid to walk the streets of Iraq. But too many Iraqi civilians are. This needs to improve.
“About Islam; I could pick from the question that you're accusing Islam to be the cause of that killing. In Islam” I like Islam and would never think that. The vast majority of people killed by Jihadis over the last 1400 years are other muslims. The Jihadis are deeply anti-muslim.
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A&E, why do Muslims murder Muslims during Ramadhan?
Might the answer be that Jihadis dislike Takfirs, or muslims who have known the truth and rejected it, more than any nonmuslim? Might the answer be that the Jihadis don't like Shia, Kurds, Sufis, Christians, and any sunni arab who has the misfortune of disagreeing with a Jihadi?
A&E, what are your thoughts on how to reform or take out the Jihadis? If someone really loves and respects their enemy, as Yeshua (or Īsā) said we all should, then the best way we can honor our enemy is by facilitating their reforming themselves, and failing that imprison or kill them before they can do themselves any more harm.
What greater harm can someone do themselves than to sin by harming someone else? Therefore, taking out a Jihadi can be an act of great compassion and respect.
A&E, what is your strategy to eliminate the Jihadi threat?
Anand
could you understand the song and the point behind it?
I think the comments here are not related to this post at all!!!
Well;
First of all I so as anyone who does care about Islam; absolutely disagree with shedding one drop of any human being.
I think you know that America did support Jihadist for a long time; so it's the best to be asked such questions.
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What greater harm can someone do themselves than to sin by harming someone else?" Then taking the American mercenaries out or killing them will be the best to eliminate such threat from our land; as they didn't hesitate to kill, rape and destroy as much as possible.
I absolutely agree that those terrorist killed many people and I do believe that they should be eliminated, but if we open our eyes; America did kill and destroy much much more and all over the world.
The only way to kick terrorists out of my country is by kicking the invaders out and then Iraqis will know how to control their country and build it peacefully; as there is no point letting some killers and rapists inside our country and giving them the permission to behave like masters.
I wonder if asking such questions mean those who asked are not Muslims, they don't know anything about Islam and they want to learn or they're against Islam??
Anand, A&E thinks (like many Arabs) that the US has hired terrorists to mass murder innocent Iraqis. There's no use in trying to convince him otherwise - they are convinced that the US aim is to divide Iraqis and watch them murder each other (as if they don't know how to do that all by themselves, as if Saddam and his filthy henchmen did not mass murder Iraqis without the help of the US before 2003).
This kind of thinking helps Iraqis cope with the madness, I think. It helps them focus their rage on an enemy they have hated all their lives: the US and UK. What is most interesting is that many of these people, like A&E, live in the US or UK. They hate the US and UK, and yet they live here, make good money, pay taxes, and take advantage of the freedoms that do not exist in the mid east.
a&eiraqi, I am going to assume that you have the best motivations and respond accordingly.
”could you understand the song and the point behind it?
I think the comments here are not related to this post at all!!!”
As I have written before, I don’t know Arabic and don’t understand the song and the point behind it. Please educate me and your other readers about it.
”First of all I so as anyone who does care about Islam; absolutely disagree with shedding one drop of any human being.”
Are you a pacifist?
”I think you know that America did support Jihadist for a long time; so it's the best to be asked such questions.”
Please explain since I am not very smart. I think you are referring to the Jihad that the entire muslim world, America, Canada, all the major European countries, China, Japan and South Korea supported against the former Soviet Union in Afghanistan. You are right . . . all of us messed up and the world has paid a major price since. But I think that everywhere, including in the muslim world, there is broad acceptance that we all collectively messed up. One piece of evidence that suggests we have learnt from it is Bosnia and Kosavo. Al Qaeda linked networks played a mojor role fighting Serbia in both conflicts. Yet most of the world (including NATO and the muslim world) united to stop the genocide without working with Al Qaeda linked networks this time. We learnt. Since the Afghan jihad, is there any evidence of any major non-muslim majority country backing Takfiri Salafi Jihadi extremists?
No one supported the Jihadis against Russia in Chechnya etc. the 1990s either, even though many of us around the world disagreed with some specific Russian policies in the Central Asia region.
Please explain what you mean by the statement above.
"What greater harm can someone do themselves than to sin by harming someone else?" Then taking the American mercenaries out or killing them will be the best to eliminate such threat from our land; as they didn't hesitate to kill, rape and destroy as much as possible.”
Again please explain it again for me slowly, since I do not understand. Are you referring only to security contractors? As you know most security contractors in Iraq are Iraqi, and a plurality of them are hired by different parts of the GoI. We have been discussing at IM what to do about security contractors. This is a very important subject. I think the Iraqi government should pass legislation regulating them. Please come to IM and share your thoughts regarding this very important subject. I think, however, since Iraqi is a democracy like most countries in the world; Iraq should handle this issue with legislation through the political process, rather than through violence.
I must ask you however, to please have very specific evidence before bringing up charges of rape.
”I absolutely agree that those terrorist killed many people and I do believe that they should be eliminated, but if we open our eyes; America did kill and destroy much much more and all over the world.”
Two questions: How would you eliminate terrorists? Who has America killed all over the world? Please spell both of them out.
”The only way to kick terrorists out of my country is by kicking the invaders out and then Iraqis will know how to control their country and build it peacefully; as there is no point letting some killers and rapists inside our country and giving them the permission to behave like masters.”
I think you are referring to Al Qaeda linked networks here. How would you throw Al Qaeda linked terrorists out of Iraq?
”I wonder if asking such questions mean those who asked are not Muslims, they don't know anything about Islam and they want to learn or they're against Islam??”
I don’t understand a&eiraq. Please explain it to me. I love Islam, and have read a lot of translations of various parts of the holy Koran. Mohommed was a great man of god. The angel Gabriel spoke to him and revealed beautiful, holy, pure, spiritual, loving, and transcendental sounds to him—the Koran. Only a prophet of the highest stature would be worthy of such divine revelation. I try to learn as much about Islam as possible. And I look forward to learning more about Islam from you.
What does A&E stand for? Arts & Entertainment? I see no art or entertainment here!
Anand
I have to admit that I admire your attitude and I'll be replying to your wish to know or to learn how the others think; I appreciate that we're from different parts of the world and different background.
First of all; about the song
It's like a pray to Allah asking him to protect Iraq & Iraqis in the Holly Ramadan and asking him to help them stop this madness and not
let problems get worse in Iraq and between Iraqis; it also contains part which show that we're under the control of unmerciful people.
As I've mentioned the whole song goes like prayer asking his God.
I didn't say that I'm a pacifist but I am a doctor; my duty is helping people and saving their lives not killing them; still I'm a human being whose ability to tolerate is limited and he might lose his control when he face horrible things; like seeing his people being killed or raped or seeing his home being destroyed by someone.
I wish you could appreciate this point or think about it deeply.
About supporting Jihadists; I meant supporting them against Soviet union and you're right many muslim governments did help America at that time by letting selfies from thier countries go there.
Still; USA do support governments like the one in KSA where Selefists do hurt people and deprive them from simple rights like allowing women to drive.
I don't think that media do highlight such things as much as highlighting Jihadists attitude in other countries.
The third point will be explained as slow as possible as you asked me to do so;
Anand
As I have explained before; I lived most of my life back home in Iraq
People there have their own tradition, mentality and attitude, which are quite different from the ones you have; I think this is understandable
I saw my country being occupied by foreigners, they had got the right to destroy any place they wanted, they let all the looters stole whatever they wanted without stopping them; they themselves stole lots of pieces from the Iraqi national museum; since they arrived we experienced thing we had not before:
To drive in a street; you have to be quite careful as they might attack you for no reason but having fun ( you might not believe this, but the attitude of the invaders in Iraqi streets is horrible).
People were talking about democracy and humanity to be shocked with what happened in Abu-Ghraib; this was not only a crime; it was like war announcement; they raped people and tortured them in a horrible way; how do you think would people feel after such thing; people do hate America and everything belong to it.
I don't think it's only about security company; I know that those companies have been creating many problems for a long time; but these were things done by the American forces themselves; another one is the horrible crime in Haditha when they killed a family and raped a girl.
The American solders admitted in the Independent couple of months ago that; they were used to kill Iraqi civilians and put weapons beside them accusing them of being insurgents( I think you know about that when they said" Killing another Iraqi is just another Iraqi , so what?" )
"Who has America killed all over the world? "
Interesting question
Before the war; Iraqis were deprived from food and medications as there was a horrible sanction applied by America before anyone else..Ideally it was the UN decision.
The American secretary of state at that time Madeline Albright admitted that killing half a million of Iraqi kids is a worthy price to get rid of Saddam Hussien!!!
Of course I should never forget what happened in 1991 in Baghdad; Al-Amriya shelter was bombed by American aircraft to kill 405 innocent Iraqis had no sin but trying to be in a safe place while Baghdad was being bombed in a savage way.
Do I need to mention Guantanamo camp and the horrible crimes being held there?
And of course a long list of crimes in Vietnam, the attitude towards Palestine and many other countries.
In the last point I was referring to both the Terrorists and the invaders; if we get rid of that invasion; we'll be able to control our country by ourselves; America is not doing anything to protect us, it did not prevent the civil war or helped to control violence; so what is the point letting them in raping and killing as they want.
There are a lot of Iraqi forces now , as well as the former army and the Iraqi tribes which can control their regions and reach a satisfaction without the American interference.
We just don't need the American forces or any other country's forces inside Iraq.
I admit that there a sectarian violence in Iraq and there is a disagreement but the invaders are not helping to stop it, as well as they're quite rejected among people because of the crimes they committed.
The best proof is; those invaders don't dare to walk in streets as people don't like them; they're not welcomed even in those areas considered safe like the southern part; people don't like them and are ready to kill them for what they did.
About Islam; I could pick from the question that you're accusing Islam to be the cause of that killing.
In Islam; destroying The Holly House In Mecca is less than killing one Muslim.
Islam of course disagree with killing innocents and that how I understand it; if someone has got another philosophy; I don't feel being duty bound justifying or explaining what he thinks.
A&Eiraqi,
Please some and join the discussion at Iraqimojo.blogspot.com
Iraqi Mojo is a very good guy. You would really like him. Most Iraqis are strongly against Baathists and Takfiris. You should be very careful to strongly and unambiguously denounce them every chance you get, or you might continue to be misunderstood by other Iraqis.
The song, a prayer to God, is very sweet. I like it.
“Still; USA do support governments like the one in KSA where Selefists do hurt people and deprive them from simple rights like allowing women to drive.” Very true . . . the whole world, including America, sucks up to KSA. And you are right to condemn it.
”I don't think that media do highlight such things as much as highlighting Jihadists attitude in other countries.” Most non-muslims are very afraid to do as you ask, because it is not politically correct to criticize another religion, and everyone is afraid of being called an anti-muslim bigot. For this reason, muslims have to take the lead in “highlighting Jihadists attitude in other countries.”
“I saw my country being occupied by foreigners, they had got the right to destroy any place they wanted [No they don’t. US troops who violate their rules of engagement can be and are prosecuted. In any case, they are in Iraq at the unanimous request of many UN resolutions and the government of Iraq (GoI)], they let all the looters stole whatever they wanted without stopping them [terrible mistake. The reason is that former Secretary Rumsfeld opposed the occupation of Iraq, and wanted to withdraw troops almost immediately. He therefore opposed efforts to use US troops for occupation duties like maintain law and order inside Iraq.]; they themselves stole lots of pieces from the Iraqi national museum [I don’t understand. Please explain]; since they arrived we experienced thing we had not before:
To drive in a street; you have to be quite careful as they might attack you for no reason but having fun ( you might not believe this, but the attitude of the invaders in Iraqi streets is horrible).” [You are right that tens of thousands of Iraqis being killed by suicide bombers attacking Iraqi population centers is not something Iraq has ever experienced before. The whole world needs to help Iraq through the crazy jihadis out of Iraq. Aren’t MNF-I troops much better now? And in any case, do most neighborhoods really want US troops to leave before there are well trained and equipped Iraqi army and police replaced them? In the past huge crime and slaughter has followed when US troops prematurely left neighborhoods.]
“People were talking about democracy and humanity to be shocked with what happened in Abu-Ghraib; this was not only a crime; it was like war announcement; they raped people and tortured them in a horrible way; how do you think would people feel after such thing; people do hate America and everything belong to it. [Most US soldiers and veterans were outraged by how the animals of Abu Ghraib dishonored the values and image of the US military. You saw the sharp reaction it caused within the US military. Abu Ghraib is now controlled by the GoI. Are you aware of any new incidences in the last 2 years?]
I don't think it's only about security company; I know that those companies have been creating many problems for a long time; but these were things done by the American forces themselves; another one is the horrible crime in Haditha when they killed a family and raped a girl.” [Most American soldiers are very angry about that. Rape is considered the greatest of all crimes by Americans. And most American soldiers want to tear the monsters who did this apart. Are you aware of anything like that that has happened in the last two years?]
“The American solders admitted in the Independent couple of months ago that; they were used to kill Iraqi civilians and put weapons beside them accusing them of being insurgents( I think you know about that when they said" Killing another Iraqi is just another Iraqi , so what?" )” One psychotic soldier does not represent most American soldiers. That psychotic soldier was completely out of line. Try to meet some American soldiers or veterans and ask them what they think about the Independent article. Why hasn’t the Independent interviewed other soldiers and ask them what they think about the moron who said these things? You should read the last couple posts by Michael Totten, and see what actual American soldiers think about that attitude.
“Before the war; Iraqis were deprived from food and medications as there was a horrible sanction applied by America before anyone else..Ideally it was the UN decision.
The American secretary of state at that time Madeline Albright admitted that killing half a million of Iraqi kids is a worthy price to get rid of Saddam Hussien!!!”
True. The UN sanctions were horrible. The UN is responsible. Saddam Hussein is also responsible for not allowing UN weapons inspectors access.
“Of course I should never forget what happened in 1991 in Baghdad; Al-Amriya shelter was bombed by American aircraft to kill 405 innocent Iraqis had no sin but trying to be in a safe place while Baghdad was being bombed in a savage way.”
The Al-Amriya shelter was a terrible mistake. Gen Schwarzkopf was terribly upset about it. Read his book, or one of his many interviews regarding this tragedy. I think that the bombing of 1991 targeted too much of Iraq’s dual use infrastructure. Since 2003, the US military has bombed in a far more limited way.
“Do I need to mention Guantanamo camp and the horrible crimes being held there?” People are being detained without trial. What other crime has been committed there? Most of them are Pakistanis or Saudis who were arrested by the Northern alliance of Afghan government. They are VERY lucky to be in American rather than Afghan custody. The Guantanamo camp is a luxury resort for its few hundred inmates based on most accounts I can find. They released some Saudis and Pakistanis who were later caught committing terrorist activities. Most aren’t good guys. Still, President Bush rightly said that America will close Guantanamo years ago, because the US government cannot hold people without trying them. In my view, it has taken way too long to shut down Guantanamo. Note that many Al Qaeda leaders remain detained there.
To my knowledge, there haven’t been serious accusations of torture in Guantanamo, unlike Abu Ghraib.
“And of course a long list of crimes in Vietnam, the attitude towards Palestine and many other countries.” America supported the country of South Vietnam in its war with North Vietnam. The situation in South East Asia is complicated, with many crimes by many countries including the USSR, America, China, North Vietnam, South Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, and many factions inside South Vietnam. As you may know, over 327,000 South Korean soldiers fought to defend South Vietnam. Many Australians, New Zealanders, Thais and Philippinos also fought to defend South Vietnam. But lets not get into that discussion here. How many Palestinians has America killed? America is not Israel.
“In the last point I was referring to both the Terrorists and the invaders; if we get rid of that invasion; we'll be able to control our country by ourselves” US troops pulled out of Baghdad and Diyala after the 12.15.05 Iraqi elections. You saw the results of that.
“There are a lot of Iraqi forces now , as well as the former army and the Iraqi tribes which can control their regions and reach a satisfaction without the American interference.
We just don't need the American forces or any other country's forces inside Iraq.”
What do you think about the Iraqi army? See:
http://www.longwarjournal.org/oob/index.php
http://www.longwarjournal.org/archives/2007/08/projected_isf_five_y.php
Look at the comments too.
We can discuss how quickly the Iraqi army can take over the functions of the MNF-I. General Petraues wants to pull US troops out of 16 of Iraq’s 18 provinces in 7 months. Those provinces will graduate to Provincial Iraqi control (the Iraqi army transfers all security responsibilities to the provincial governments and Iraqi police . . . that then enforce provincial law).
A good place to have that discussion is IraqiMojo.blogspot.com. I am glad that you think so highly about the Iraqi army! A lot of misinformed people claim the Iraqi Army is junk.
BTW, American and Iraqi army troops are not afraid to walk the streets of Iraq. But too many Iraqi civilians are. This needs to improve.
“About Islam; I could pick from the question that you're accusing Islam to be the cause of that killing. In Islam” I like Islam and would never think that. The vast majority of people killed by Jihadis over the last 1400 years are other muslims. The Jihadis are deeply anti-muslim.
I look forward to learning more about Islam.
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